Starting to Play Trumpet Again After 20 Year Lay Off

OldHorn · Regular Member Joined: 26 December 2017 Posts: 86

Only wondering what type fourth dimension frame improvement players take experienced.

I was a session player and played shows for dissimilar artists. I put the horn down in the mid-90's and put my energies to arranging and orchestration instead.

Now at 64, I merely started playing flugel once more, not trumpet. I started out practicing 15 minutes a day and am slowly increasing that. I'd like to get to a identify where I can play melodies comfortably in the staff, maybe an occasional 1000 above the staff.

How long did it take you to reach that point? 6 months, a twelvemonth, more?

kehaulani · Posted: Thu January 04, 2018 8:44 am Post subject:

I learned a long fourth dimension ago that it's individual. How long does it accept? As long as information technology takes.

But 1 thing is important to your question is that is how efficient was your animate and how solid was your embouchure was before.

It sounds like you were doing well, and so just make sure you don't have information technology whatsoever quicker than you take to. In other words, don't be (destructively) impatient.
And make sure you have skilful breathing and breath support.
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WxJeff · Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:09 pm Mail subject:

Personal experience:

Groundwork: decent high schoolhouse role player who didn't really apply himself, put the horn down for 25 years, now back 12 or so.

90 days: etudes/melodies within the staff every bit yous described, acme of the staff Yard ok but not effortless. Married woman allowed me out of the basement

vi months: did an embouchure modify with a local pro / teacher. Affected range development simply was definitely a curt term cede for long term gain.

ane twelvemonth: able to play 2nd part for 90 minute church orchestra practice at which time chops are gone. range up to Bb to a higher place the staff. Better musicianship than ever in high school due to maturity / grouping with which I was playing.

Endurance is still the challenge, and honestly I don't practice nearly as much as some of the other guys who volition mail service.
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SSmith1226 · Posted: Sat January 06, 2018 2:59 pm Mail service discipline:

I am 69 years old 2 years into my comeback after a 44 yr layoff. I played for 16 years before my layoff started and was ever an amateur. It took me half-dozen months to get to a Chiliad higher up the staff and at one year I could squeal out C higher up the staff. At two years, D to a higher place the staff,in the privacy of my home,is reliable.. As function of my daily routine, I play two octive scales in all keys and tin by and large squeal out F above high C and on several occasions take squeezed out notes as high as double high C. Currently the notes above D above the staff are not usable. I play 2nd and 3rd trumpet in customs Bands, and have helped out in first trumpet when the position was thin. At one and one half years into my improvement I found myself playing Master Trumpet in a serial of orchestra concerts in St. Petersburg, Russia due to illness of the Principal Trumpet Player. That was an interesting experience playing in Marinski Concert Hall also as other venues, but needless to say my playing was not upward to that standard.
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gwood66 · Posted: Sabbatum January 06, 2018 3:25 pm Postal service subject:

I am amateur who stopped playing following high school and took information technology up once again at 49. I am a little over 2 years in to my comeback. Here is my approximately timeline:

- Practiced frantically for the start couple of months and had to strain for anything above 3rd infinite C.
- Started taking lessons and had a solid G on the staff past 6 months.
- By 9 months I could reliable play a high C.
- By the one year point I could play as high as a 1000 above High C.

There is an article David Chocolate-brown on the ITG website that describes what to expect during a comeback. I found it to be pretty authentic based on m experience.

http://trumpetguild.org/pedagogy/category/8-articles-and-essays

OldHorn · Regular Member Joined: 26 Dec 2017 Posts: 86

Thanks everybody for your replies. I do appreciate it.

I started back a month ago and things take improved greatly since that first night I put the horn to my chops. It's just very frustrating, I can experience the notes within, simply the muscles aren't stiff enough to play what I hear.

Still, the fourth dimension frames that yous've experienced, brand me feel amend. I've agreed to a project in June where I'll be playing the flugel. Notwithstanding, I'll be writing the charts then I can write around my limitations if need exist. For me it's helpful to set goals and this ane feels doable.

GeorgeB · Posted: Sunday Jan 07, 2018 3:57 am Mail service subject field:

Merely don't rush things. I played for 12 years ( 1953-65 ) then didn't play over again until March 2016. I'm in my eighties so the face muscles aren't the ones I played with back in the day. It took me about vii months ( 90 infinitesimal exercise every forenoon and 60 minutes playing tunes in the afternoon ) to get to the point where I could join and play first chair with a local community ring. I was playing a comfortable high C past month 5 and now can add a couple more notes to that. I purposely play music with lots of top line Fs , as well as Gs and As above the staff. Endurance has gone from twenty minutes to well over an hour but still has a way to go. Two octave lip slurs have helped me get where I am every bit far every bit endurance goes. It all takes time and tenacity but you lot can do it if you really want to.
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ButchA · Posted: Lord's day Jan 07, 2018 half-dozen:33 am Mail discipline:

George is admittedly correct... Don't blitz things!

As seen in that rambling video that I made (come across the thread most my comeback histrion video), it takes while to redevelop your embouchure and go your chops dorsum. I started information technology out school band in the tardily lx's and well into the 70'southward. Then sadly my trumpet fell past the wayside as I was drawn more towards loud stone 'northward scroll and electric guitar playing.

In one case my daughters got into school ring (woodwinds) in the 90'due south, I got my trumpet back out. I took me nearly vi months to go back into playing semi-decent. I could but striking the G at the elevation of the staff and that was information technology. I knew well enough not to push button information technology, so I gradually worked my way dorsum over the following years.

Another affair I learned real quick is that a new mouthpiece can really help with being a "comeback actor". I can't play on a 7C or annihilation smaller like a 10�C or something like that. They don't piece of work for me. I take to take something larger around the 3C size. But then that's just me.... What works for me, might not work for you, but it might exist worth a try.
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Rod Haney · Heavyweight Fellow member Joined: 22 Aug 2015 Posts: 918

Started 2.5 years ago later on 47 years off and had a g 1st time I played. But I�ve been working the last 30 months getting that how-do-you-do 1000 I usedta have and its still not in that location all the fourth dimension. I work fairly hard and do exercises by all the usual suspects. Seems you�ve just forgotten some things you used to know, if y'all just practise corner and tongue level and breathing exercises while just getting back to playing you lot should get over this quickly. In my instance much of the info available now is new to me and I simply have what I can make work and crap can the balance.
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INTJ · Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 viii:20 pm Mail discipline:

I played from 5th grade to High School. When I started High School in 1975 I was put on a Bach 1.5C and taught to play with a apartment chin embochure, which killed all my range above the staff. My senior of HS year I switched to French Horn and spent my freshmen twelvemonth equally a music major on Horn at Univ of Oregon. Horn wasn�t what I wanted to exercise I quit music all together and became a USAF pilot�my original dream.

The summer of 2001, while still agile duty USAF, I came back to trumpet. I knew what didn�t piece of work for me�big MPs and a flat chin then I started researching. Was immediately able to play to High C just had no tone, endurance, and did not play in tune. In 2002 I played second trumpet in a church praise band�badly. In 2003 I discovered Pops and took my starting time lesson from him.

In 2006 I finally played a High G but I still struggled with intonation. In 2008 I started playing in a community jazz band and started taking lessons from a local pro. I improved in jazz mode and reading. My local teacher was peachy with everything except pedagogy range and endurance, but I still had Pops for that. I went through a disasterous fourth dimension in 2008 trying to brand Monette MPs work to me. Sometime effectually 2009 I went to Wedge MPs and haven�t looked dorsum. I stayed playing atomic number 82 in my jazz band and I started performing High Gs in 2010 or 2011. I all the same had intonation issues in a higher place the staff. I had a lesson with Roger Ingram in 2012 and picked upwardly some important tips, th biggest existence was his emphasis on tusting my project and non overblowing.

I started downsizing my MPs and started a search for the right trumpet. Each pace smaller in MP improved my playing. Most advice I had received on trumpets was wrong for me and I finally settled on Flip Oakes Wild Things past 2012. Information technology was and then I was able to play in melody across my entire range.

In 2015 I performed double high Cs a few times at the terminate of Count Bubba. I also performed the Transport in the Clowns solo from Kenton �76. In 2017 I performed the loftier Solos from Maynard�south McArthur Park.

I am still an amateur hack. My showtime attempts at both the Clowns Solo and McArthur were rough but I did improve. I even so need to work on my pb style, larn to read improve, and learn to improvise.

On the good side I no longer fight the trumpet. I am able to diagnose what happens mechanics wise when things fall off. I consider myslf a solid High G/A AMATUER player who ocassionally gets a double C. I can practice all that for effectually two hours of endurance. I practice most two hours in the evening when I don�t have a gig or a rehearsal. That is all the time I take bachelor since I still take a full-time job.

I don�t think a player has to take as long as I did�14 years to performing DHC. I call up someone willing to written report and acquire HOW to practice and who is willing to devote two hours a day could get in that location in half the fourth dimension or less. Conversely, if one thinks that mindlessly playing the trumpet volition get them anywhere, they meliorate just get lucky and happen to do things correct.
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gmorrell · New Member Joined: 09 Jan 2018 Posts: ane

My beginning post as a member.
Afterwards a xx yr break I picked up horn and started in at historic period 48. This site was very helpful. I withal exercise non accept the high school high chops I once did but that was not my goal starting back up.
Patience, consistent practise schedule, playing with others of all levels has helped me , always with room for improvement.

cbtj51 · Posted: Mon Jan xv, 2018 12:31 pm Post subject:

Subsequently fourteen years of not playing, I am now 3 1/2 years into playing daily over again later retirement from my day gig. The first few weeks back were hard just getting my caput back in the game. I am a Type IV A (upstream) histrion, so actually producing a good sound seemed to fall correct back in place. Range was never a real problem and hasn't caused any problems this time out. Everything higher up Loftier C up to G works consistently, pretty much like when I was much younger and now with more intelligent pacing and playing, my lower range is very consequent as well. Getting back into the habit of regular and, more importantly, intelligent, constructive practice was the real roadblock. I was thrust (semi-voluntarily) back into public performance within the showtime few weeks. More nervus inducing than I would take thought. Much trial and error and finally making a connection with a local Symphony player got me back on path. I began playing and traveling along side this very enthusiastic player in many venues with her keeping me very involved in Contumely Ensemble, Bedroom Orchestra, Symphony Orchestra, Concert Band, the whole kit and caboodle, anything and most everything that she played in. Playing this style of trumpet was different for me since my previous experience was Big Bands, Latin Bands, R&B and Superlative 40 Bands for many decades. We talked trumpet and technique likewise as getting to exist friends. Our Spouses got to be friends every bit well then a social component came into play that keeps us connected in non performing roles, though we still end up talking shop a lot.

My improvement has been scary, pleasing, thought provoking, knowledge building, but mostly, very active physically, mentally and musically challenging in my older years. The performances and relationships are most rewarding and I have gained immensely from the experience. Hope that every Improvement Thespian finds it as rewarding as I have.

Mike
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ehammarlund · Regular Member Joined: thirty Jan 2018 Posts: 23

Subsequently 12 solid years on and 25 year off, I'chiliad simply getting back into it. It'south been a couple of weeks; I tin only hold practices for ~xx minutes. No problems at all with in-staff C or D; E'southward fine as a "bulldoze-by" just not reliable for longer tones; tone decreases considerably equally I go up and I tin can't quitehitting G yet.

OldKing · Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:37 am Post subject:

When I picked information technology dorsum up a couple of year ago, I merely assumed information technology'd accept the balance of my life.
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel · Posted: Thu February 08, 2018 6:xviii am Post field of study:

I think information technology'southward probably break even for me right now. I'thousand non great on loftier notes, only never was. I have less stamina and am having animate problems. But I also experience like a reset embouchure has been adept for me, I have more of a sense of tone and rhythm and am amend able to concentrate during practice. I'yard less competitive and just savor playing more than.

kozzicomma · Regular Member Joined: 27 Dec 2018 Posts: 39

I never really put the horn down for whatsoever longer than probably iv years at a time, but it was always fairly detrimental to my playing and/or evolution that may take occurred during the periods I was playing. I was a trumpet major in school, twenty+ years ago. I've studied with some good players over the years, but about of my improvement attempts were done without a lot of input from local pros (or any instructor for that affair), and from my experience this is a HUGE problem. I'chiliad currently on my terminal improvement. Disallowment any unforeseen circumstances, I intend this to exist information technology, and I program to continue to play for the rest of my life (I'm 43). I work every bit a mechanical engineer full time, so my playing is limited to 2-three hours at night during the calendar week and near every bit much time as I want during weekends and breaks. I started back on the horn 5.5 months ago, going on 6. In my first calendar month, i was struggling with everything but tone production at middle C and below. I had no endurance, no range, no flexibility, but I could sound pretty good in the staff for about 10 mins. two months in, I was playing upward to around an A to a higher place the staff, but could in no way concord the note for longer than a half note at quarter = lx without information technology starting to crack and/or getting a double buzz. Also, this applies to everything higher up middle C, in that I couldn't sustain for very long without starting to cleft, double buzz, etc. etc. I was getting pretty frustrated. In my third calendar month, i began seeing a local pro. This is where things started to turn around. four months in, and I was playing up to a high C consistently and was able to hold notes above center C for much longer than before. These advancements were due to several factors, e.thou. "rethinking" my audio production, refining my discontinuity, breathing, etc. all every bit a outcome of my teacher's teaching. Without information technology, i may take taken quadruple the time to figure it out on my own. At about six months, I'm really getting to focus mostly on making music. My range and endurance are nevertheless not what they used to exist (used to have a solid high A, occasional double C), but my audio, flexibility, etc. etc. is all Way meliorate than they used to exist. I don't intendance nearly playing high notes like i used to. I'chiliad more focused on regaining my endurance and playing with a beautiful sound with less attempt, and this has been a very rewarding experience. I tin can't WAIT to see what a few years does to me!

LittleRusty · Posted: Wed April 24, 2019 12:39 pm Post subject:

Kozzicomma,

If I might ask a question or ii.

By middle C do you mean the tertiary space C in the treble clef? I learned middle C as the C in the middle between the staves, simply I do know some trumpeters telephone call the octave above middle C.

Your A that you reference in "used to accept a solid A" would be the A to a higher place the 2 ledger line loftier C, correct?

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JetJaguar · Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 iv:56 pm Post subject:

When I resumed playing after many years off, I found the mouthpiece would completely slip off my lips while playing sometimes. I knew it was due to not playing for a long fourth dimension but expert grief.
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